Is series 6 Failing ?

[Schematics]

This is not my opinion but reading other boards & just listening to general office chit chat it appears to me as if series 6 isnt too popular.
Seems as if people are saying its the same 'tired' format,not realistic scenario's anymore,same ol white house back stabbing etc etc...
I'm not finding this.. granted i do believe the 1st hour could have been done different as it did seem a bit too much to believe a man could come off a plane after months of torture & then get thrust into the present crisis straight away but at the end of the day the rest of it ,to me, is still up there.
Its got some good twists, another good & believable storyline & above all still highly entertaining & that at the end of the day is all it is...Entertainment.
I sometimes wonder what some people really want..:confused:

[Kimberella]

Hmmm I hadn't heard any of that. Personally I think season 6 has been great, but I'm a diehard 24 fan.

[20LEGEND]

i think the season is great so far as well

the best is yet to come ;)

[faisj]

I am a huge 24 fan but I have to be honest about my opinion.
I think season 6 is the worst 24 season :(

[nina myers #1]

hi evryone.

[nina myers #1]

i think season 6 has been good they have done things that i thought they could never do. although it is a big unbelievalbe that jack could be thrust into action after 6 months of torture!

LOVE 24!!!! lol

[danieladamsmith]

I am a huge 24 fan but I have to be honest about my opinion.
I think season 6 is the worst 24 season :(.

I will wait for the season to finish or get much closer to finishing to decide how it rates against the others, but here are some observations.

1. The sixth season of a show is hallowed ground for episodic tv. 98% of all shows never reach it. This is where the press stops building something up and starts tearing it down. With shows like LOST you already have people tearing it down and it is only in the 3rd season. I hated that Six Feet Under finished at 5 seasons but maybe it was for the best. In todays media everything is always on the verge of "jumping the shark". It is the short attention span of the media and the public.

2. The loss of too many major characters or characters people liked, loved, or loved to hate. THe producers have gone on the record to say that in the 24 world people die. If people don't die, one doesn't feel the price that this war on terror, corruption reaps. Hell I don't ever think I will get over Tony dying but that's what happened. 24 is about Jack Bauer and until he goes, I won't stop watching. I could argue the world for why Tony should have stayed but he didn't.

3. Changes in personal happen for many reasons. Actors, writers, etc are always searching for better roles, pay, more creative control. I always think of M*A*S*H*. In seasons 3, 4 & 5 you had Henry Blake, Trapper John & Frank Burns all leave for various reasons. Seinfeld was never the same after Larry David left, yet there were some great things in the seasons afterwards.

4. The transition seasons. I always felt that season 3 was the weakest of all the seasons so far, yet it was followed by season 4 which IMHO was the best so far.

5. Following the "Emmy" season. By nature we (the public, the press) are always raising our expectations for something and this is bound to smack us in the face.

6. Wayne Palmer. This could be the main reason really. He is awfully hard to believe as POTUS, but given the circumstances of last week I will see how it all plays out.

7. Reinvention - Every show that lasts more than 5 years has to reinvent itself or die. 24 will not last forever on moles, major nucleur attacks, torture, and POTUS assassination plots. They will have to develop other ideas. Sometimes I think the location should change. Is it a stretch to think that Los Angelos is the only city that terrorists want to destroy? I think we may see more international locations in the future.

8. There are only a handful of shows that last 8-10 seasons. The 10th season is the Holy Grail of episodic television. To do that major changes are necessary and not every season has to be the best. There have to be peaks and plateaus in an artistic endeavor, that is the nature of the beast. The Beatles had their Magical Mystery Tour.

9. The press/public is always eagerly awaiting the "jump the shark" moment. Sometimes they talk about this in the 2nd or 3rd season of a show. A lot of people are already writing off LOST.

10. Last but not least. As a relative newcomer to 24. I spent most of my fandom catching up on dvds. A lot of fans came that way, apparently the producers said this is how 24 became so popular. There is a whole different feel that one has when watching episode after episode as opposed to waiting each week. I don't know how previous seasons were judged at the same point in time. Can anyone shed a light on that?

I tend to write long-winded answers...sorry about that.

[danieladamsmith]

Seems as if people are saying its the same 'tired' format,not realistic scenario's anymore,same ol white house back stabbing etc etc...
I'm not finding this.. granted i do believe the 1st hour could have been done different as it did seem a bit too much to believe a man could come off a plane after months of torture & then get thrust into the present crisis straight away

One thing to add...when was 24 ever realistic? and second to add...It's not a man that came off that plane, it's Jack Bauer. Big Difference.

[20LEGEND]

It's not a man that came off that plane, it's Jack Bauer. Big Difference.

lol @ that

thats true , it aint just anybody its Jack Bauer

people should realise at the end of the day its a tv show

good point - when has it ever been realistic

[Schematics]

how do you know thats its not realistic... ? do you work in this type of enviroment ? would jo public be privvie to this type of information... i doubt it ;) :)

[20LEGEND]

some parts of it are realistic but some of it is a bit far fetched, not that its a bad thing, i love the show :D

season 1 had a good realism to it i thought

[LindaAnne]

I think season six is the weakest one so far. Many of my friends are turning it off and I honestly would choose HEROES over "24" on an average week.

My problem is that I can't buy some of the stuff they're throwing at us. Jack gets off a plane from China and recovers quickly enough to lead a field opt. Jack shaves and cuts his hair himself in 6 minutes. Granted this is "24" and we buy this type of stuff all the time, but sometimes this season it seems we are to look beyond the superlative to the super hero.

[danieladamsmith]

how do you know thats its not realistic... ? do you work in this type of enviroment ? would jo public be privvie to this type of information... i doubt it ;) :)

Well other than the obvious things being unrealistic like the "real time" clock not exactly being "real time" or the lack of traffic in LA (There never seems to be a traffic jam) or being killed and brought back to life or exploding a bomb at 30,000 feet in the air and parachuting out of a plane (pressure due to flight speed and atmosphere would suck the air right out of you) or simply the amount of punishment Jack has to take on a routine basis while functioning at such or the amount of moles in a single agency continuosly as well as moles/conspiracy in the White House or the relative ease at which Pardons are both granted and sent out almost immediately. Or how about nobody eating or going to the bathroom ever....or how about the amount of time spent by terrorists just trying to destroy LA..
There is the biggest thing I have not mentioned yet. THe timeframe of solving complex attack issues. In real life this takes months of roll up your sleeves work.

There's the technology thing. If you google "24 and the Heritage Foundation" you will find an mp3 of the 24 seminar featuring various actors from the show as well as government officials and security officials talking about how 24 has effected the War on Terror. Now this is a pretty right wing event but there is a lot of info for the 24 fan. Here's a link
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev062306.cfm


Most of the officials at that seminar talk about the technology being not nearly as advanced ex. Reprogramming the Satellite to follow people and various other things Chloe does with relative ease. There are no computer crashes and this is something that happens all the time in this line of work.

Listen to that thing and you will know what i mean.

[dani]

I have to say im another die hard fan and even for me this season there is something missing for me. Its not as exciting as season 5 and hate to say it this season half the chracters in it i dont give a damn about . I understand its a war and people die but come on if your going to kill people like Michelle or Tony or even David then you need to give us new people to care about and they just have not done that and so its a huge failing for the show. Curtis,karen, wayne and wayne's sister (she sucks so bad dont even remember her name) none of these people match up to Michelle or Tony.


Also i agree the show can be very unrelistic but then if the 24 time line is not working which clearly it is not anymore than get rid of it and do a 24 day like they wanna do for the film. So then an episode can span a couple of hours at a time coz in season 1 at least they tried to stick to the time line and it worked but now its just a complete joke. Its just a silly gimmick now and its limiting the show. Also everybody loves Jack me included but you have to give us more. We know he wont die so there is no excitment there.

[danieladamsmith]

As I have written before. Wayne is killing me, but I am holding out for a good season. I just have to accept no more Tony...That's the way it is. I agree with Dani, that if you take away characters you have to replace them with characters we also like. I haven't given up. There is still some great stuff going on. The whole Graeme/Philipp thing was pretty great. You can't beat having 6 ft. 5 James Cromwell. He's a great actor.
I think they will turn it around. It's funny because Dani mentioned Heroes. I like both Heroes and Lost but both of those shows (more so Lost) are starting to lose me a little.
I think it is just a bit of a let down after last season with 24. When I mentioned the realism thing it was just to say you can't base whether or not this season is bad on the realism because it has never really been there. I love the show and I am sticking with it, because I think it will turn around.
After all there is always the chance that Wayne will be knocked out for the rest of the season and the fact that Logan is back is great. We'll see what happens...

While we know Jack won't die for at least another 2 seasons. I think Jack will die at some point...

I think the producers are well aware of the gripes about the show. As they never plan a season in advance I think that will be taken into consideration.

[Beroglide]

i'm kinda seeing it just a little bit. i caught up with the whole series the last two months on dvd and just started watching season 6 on tv a couple weeks ago. the feeling of course is different. i think the fact that the nuke actually going off was what the show needed, but the overall spectrum seems less urgent than in the past. but i'm sure the rest of the season is gonna be great

[Beroglide]

WHOA! if that preview for next week is any indication, this is going to be awesome. might be a little too much actually :p

[Schematics]

Hey daniela i wasnt being serious... the ;) :) icons were put there to try & make this point..:)

[danieladamsmith]

Hey daniela i wasnt being serious... the ;) :) icons were put there to try & make this point..:)

I wasn't necessarily just responding to you but also to the greater YOU...lots of people have brought that up.....

so no worries....

[Sugar Ray Dodge]

I think the reason season 6 isn't as great as we hoped it would be is because they are retreading a bunch of storylines like crazy. An evil Vice President try to userp power: We saw this is seasons 2 and 5. The whole Arabs with Nukes thing: We saw this is seasons 2 and 4.

Another big reason is PRESIDENT WAYNE PALMER. Talk about stupid. That is the one move that I knew would be a drag on the season from the get go, and I was right. There also not very interesting villains. If you ask me, they have all been kind of cookie cutter. The whole bomb going off in Valencia didn't exactly do anything for me. I was more in shock of how Curtis died.

Everybody says that Season 3 was the worst. I can kind of understand this, because it did start out super lame, but once Jack got into Mexico the season got super kick ass. That is why I am holding out hope for season six, but it is taking much longer for it to kick into high gear than I expected. Jack and CTU are holding up their part of the deal, but the President and Villains are a total drag on the season.

A whole drawing point of 24 is that it basically reinvents itself every season. I have LOVED every season up until this one. Here is what I would do with Season 6: Keep everything in the Jack and CTU storylines, minus the super lame marriage between Buchanan and Karen Hayes and change how Jack got back from China with something a little more interesting. I am totally digging what is happening with Jack and at CTU. But I would rewrite the president side (and create a completely new President character that has nothing to do with the Palmer family) and the villain side with something spicy and original. Sort of like an "Insert Looming Threat Here" type of thing. But, that's just me.

[Schematics]

I wasn't necessarily just responding to you but also to the greater YOU...lots of people have brought that up.....

so no worries....


good , i dont want to upset anyone.. :)

[LindaAnne]

My take on Season 6. The producers came in with an idea they thought would be good but not take away from the last "Bauer" season or movie. They figured that they could beat any competition because people are behind the "24" franchise. Well, HEROES premiered and drew audience quickly. New show, new story, new twists and turns. "24" didn't worry because the show hadn't premiered yet. Then HEROES when on hiatus and came back the week after "24" came back. HEROES had left us with a major cliff hanger and of course people turned in. Now "24" is left with their original plan and HEROES is making in roads.

[danieladamsmith]

My take on Season 6. The producers came in with an idea they thought would be good but not take away from the last "Bauer" season or movie. They figured that they could beat any competition because people are behind the "24" franchise. Well, HEROES premiered and drew audience quickly. New show, new story, new twists and turns. "24" didn't worry because the show hadn't premiered yet. Then HEROES when on hiatus and came back the week after "24" came back. HEROES had left us with a major cliff hanger and of course people turned in. Now "24" is left with their original plan and HEROES is making in roads.

I am not sure I really buy that...I like both shows as well as Lost which I think Heroes has stolen more fire from. I see 24 and Heroes as such different shows with a lot of different demographics. 24 is in the 6th season. When and if and that's a big IF Heroes makes it to a 6th season we'll see. It's not easy writing 12 films a year (24 episodes = 12 films) without breaks.

[LindaAnne]

The problem is that HEROES wasn't suppose to succeed. Even the critics thought it would lose steam when "24" came back yet it is holding its own. Where I work, more people talk about HEROES than "24". Some die hard "24" fans are leaving the show. It's people who were really dedicated. Funny thing is, some of these people are completely tuning out.

[dani]

I know people that are hating this season of 24 but are still watching hoping for a turn around so lets hope we get it.

[danieladamsmith]

The problem is that HEROES wasn't suppose to succeed. Even the critics thought it would lose steam when "24" came back yet it is holding its own. Where I work, more people talk about HEROES than "24". Some die hard "24" fans are leaving the show. It's people who were really dedicated. Funny thing is, some of these people are completely tuning out.

I do feel strange writing about other shows on a thread about 24, but let me just say this.
Whether it's Heroes,Lost, Grays Anatomy or 24. I am just glad that dramatic television is back in swing. The more successful shows that have a interesting take on life are, the more interesting shows we will get. It's a win/win situation. I hated when everything was just stupid Sitcoms with canned laughter or the endless reality television period where anything no matter how boring, or mundane was championed because it was "real".

24 is a great show with a great premise. Sometimes it doesn't work and surely it doesn't always please everyone, but NO RISK, NO GAIN. I know folks who say this or that is recycled from a previous season or this or that is not believable. We are not dealing with a subject that has a million different situations to write about. CTU is an agency that is fighting Terrorism. IF it is not a bomb or a virus or an assasination attempt what would it be? I think this season is going to be great and a lot of the naysayers will in the end fall in line. And then next season it will be the same thing at the beginning. Why isn't this as good as season 6...

[Prince_Krillo]

It's rare for a TV show to stay the same after a certain amount of time. For the most part, shows get stale and completely lose the qualities that made them good in the first place.

The fact that "24" can still deliver everything it always has is not a bad thing, it's a blessing.

And BTW, I think Day 6 could easily be the second best season ever.

And as far as "Heroes" goes, well ... Heroes is my #1 favorite show. And the fact that these two have to go to war every Monday night for ratings is just ridiculous, because believe me, "24" is without a doubt the best show on TV today, with "Heroes" coming in at #2.

[sheeps]

I find myself really enjoying the last 15 or so minutes of each episode but not really enjoying the first 5 to 10.

I do miss Tony and Michelle. I like the new girl (whose name I've forgotten, is it Nadia or something?) but she doesn't really get much to do. Milo irritates me sometimes and Morris and Chloe together and apart have delivered some GOD AWFUL lines this season.

I like getting the feeling that Jack Bauer's losing it a little, he's still a very effective unit but you can't help but feel he's not in total control.

The whole "never see them going to the bathroom" issue I hear brought up every single time this show is talked about annoys me. Simply put, you're never ever watching everyone at once in this show, why on earth would you write them going to the toilet in the script unless it further progresses the plot? This isn't some arthouse film where you just see people doing random or normal things for no reason, this is 24, an action serial.

Also, someone mentioned the Vice President being evil trying to take over thing as being done before. I haven't seen season 2 yet unfortunately but in season 5 we were lead to believe the VP was trying to take over but this wasn't completely the case. Somehow I don't think we're going to find out that Wayne is evil.


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I dislike how Graham has been taken care of and now Philip is there. Graham was played up as this supreme evil player and now he just gets taken over again. Sure, I suppose it's true to life, there's always someone poorer, richer, taller, shorter, but I just hate how they killed off Graham not only literally but as a character. In season five he had this huge air of mystery around him and you're like "Oh wow, he's big stuff" and then you find out he's Jack's brother and you're like "Oh! That's cool" but then Jack takes care of him as easily as he does with everyone else. Plus, I can't believe aesthetically that Jack, Graham and Philip are all related as they just don't look alike at all. Graham and Jack are short, Philip is tall. Philip has a very distinctive nose where as Graham and Jack don't. I do see the young Bauer boy looking a lot like Kim though.



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[teroriztah]

i dont think so, that newbie heroes is just new thats why it interests many people

[glockspeak]

Having watched from Episode 1, Season 1 I have to say this is the weakest season. The writing is poor, although delivered well by the actors. There is far more jumping around this season than in any other (for ex, where the hell is Phillip?, what happened to Logan? where the heck is Walid?) They used to take care of this in split screen, which I love, because of the "real time". It's as if the writers are not really thinking through what they are writing..which may not be fair. I don't know. I think there are a lot of options, roads to travel. Not all terrorism involves nukes, bioterror and assasinations. I truly believe one of the biggest mistakes was putting Wayne Palmer in office. There's just no way someone like that would've ben voted in, not even with the sympathy /family factor. And the actor is TERRIBLE, I have always thought that (hell, I don't even know his name). There needs to be a clean prez, all the way through the season. There could be a threat to an American consulate. There could be a duel threat to British/American territories. There could be a plot to blow up the WH using kids (awful to think of but terrorists do this kind of thing). The Prez could be kidnapped. Many many storylines available....

[i_love_mywork]

Season6 is the best thing i have seen ever . i really dont think that it is failing man... why do u think so